We can’t be sending ships out to war insufficiently defended. In ‘manual’ mode the phalanx operator can ‘point and shoot’ at targets indicated by the cameras. So far, so comparable with a T45. Again Ospreys could perform this task. World of Warcraft on Reddit! I can’t see how an amphibious attack could possibly succeed in this day and age. Put land attack on the T31 and the amphibious ships that have to go in harms way anyway. It has to be some of the most memorable days in Iraq (post gulf war 2) based at Balad. Also BOFORs is now a part of BAE and OtoBreda is now Leonardo, the 76mm guns that Leonardo make also have 3P available. That said, the Type 45s don’t currently carry Aster 30 Block 1NT to take out ballistic anti-ship missiles despite being dedicated AAW ships, which doesn’t make much sense. And what’s better, having X underarmed and under-defended ships or having X-1 properly armed and properly defended ships? Ideally 4 of each if there’s space. This would need an enhancement to the systems processing, plus addition power supplies and cooling. Interesting. With IAS on the weapon and near max IAS on TnT, the Hasteful rune should be all you need to get to the 2.40001 BP. “The information regarding LRASM (and harpoon, and NSM) not yet being integrated with ADL (and therefore also MK41) is from BAES’ own data sheet, dated 2018. https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/adaptable-deck-launcher”. But in any case, what’s the fastest a sea-skimming missile can fly before friction becomes an issue? You and I are in full agreement there, no need for the 4.5” gun- I’d go with a 57 mm like the T31 or the 76 mm you recommend for whatever replaces T45. “To me, that would imply that our protections are in fact rather good as they currently stand.”. Sorry for being too broad in my commentary. Underarmed and under-defended ships get ships sunk or mission-killed, people killed or maimed and they result in failed missions or missions that can’t be carried out at all. It’s out of ammo too fast and has insufficient range. We saw that in the Falklands. So in principle it should make it easier to coordinate both carrier aircraft operations with air defence. The first Phalanx prototype was installed on destroyer, USS King, in 1973. Even if the effective range is half that, 8km is still not to be sniffed at and far superior to Phalanx. It would be a drop in the ocean compared to £2 trillion. The system can track and assess up to 6 targets simultaneously. Why not a 100mm gun? And utterly negligent. The CTAS along with a programmable general purpose round also has a dedicated anti-air round. The latest RIM-116 also uses a passive RF sensor, so it can home in on active RF missiles. How do I get a mount in WoW? Even if 1 or 2 HVPs miss, that still gives you time to fire 1 of 2 CAMMs and you still have DART, PFF and AHEAD to fall back on if the CAMMs miss. You can purchase these mounts from Ogunaro Wolfrunner in the Valley of Honor in Orgrimmar so long as your character has riding skill of 75 (obtainable at level 20). I’d even go as far as swaping their 57 mm with the T45’s 4.5″, but that may be going too far. That’s a lot of missiles. Thanks to Classic WoW community and many contributors, you can check here the best gear for your Hunter during all the phases of WoW Classic. Is the rest of the world wrong or does the UK alone know best. Which 155mm shell are you referring to? The Type 42 air defence destroyers received the system and also their replacements, the Type 45s. And if HVPs can be made to work against anti-ship missiles at 80+km that would be the best solution out of the 3. With the amount we’re in debt we should have the best warships on the planet. About that Silkworm headed for USS Missouri in ’91– as a “Yank”, let me just say to the RN and HMS Gloucester– thank you for taking care of us. Thales need to look at making a fire and forget version of Starstreak, but make sure it’s cheaper than the RIM-116 missiles. Likewise, if we pick up one of the models that has a land attack mode too, then we expand our surface fleet capability massively. The enemy would attack them with everything they’ve got: anti-ship missiles fired from land and from aircraft, attack helicopters, anti-tank missiles, artillery, mortars, rockets, weapons firing airburst ammo, heavy machine guns and snipers. T23/T26 has a roughly comparable defence to the various threats as a US Nimitz battle group all things considered (1 No. It can be received as a drop from 517 different NPCs. I read that the French tested Aster 30 against a Coyote target but this article doesn’t say what speed the Coyote was travelling at: https://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsfrench-navy-frigate-successfully-intercepts-supersonic-sea-skimming-missile/. “It also means that integrating them onto P-8A doesn’t matter either.”, “Your question about the carriers, I believe they do have SSTD, although that’s from a post by one of the serving guys on here or UKDJ.”. In my view, two out of three onion layers as used by any of the world’s best air defence vessels is sufficient for a vessel that isn’t primarily tasked with air defence. In the NPCs category. From what I’ve read, until it exceeds 300 kilowatts it won’t be able to shoot down anti-ship missiles, but at present it is capable of blinding or burning out the sensors in anti-ship missiles. And you can’t just plonk a system on a ship and expect it to work perfectly from the get-go. That’s abysmal. “and an EW+ decoy suite” Well fitting the best EW suites available to all ships in a carrier group makes perfect sense. Even if the sites are protected by Pantsir, which has guns as well as missiles, the guns have such a high rate of fire they’d be out of ammo in a pretty short time. After all, the missiles that an aircraft carries are just as important as the aircraft itself. The self-defence capabilities of the aircraft carriers draw a great deal of comment but Phalanx is just one of their many layers of protection. The Bofors which has been chosen for the T31 has the advantage that it’s a mature system and has the programmable 3P ammunition. Is this an issue if SeaRAM is targetting sea-skimming missiles? And I am sure the RN took all the Goalkeeper systems out of service. But none of them even got within CIWS range, thanks to a combination of missile defences and EW/countermeasures. Yes, from what I understand there are greater issues with them than with taking out missiles and stuff. They’d potentially have long endurance and presumably wouldn’t be susceptible to threats like IDAS missiles (or equivalent). The ability to act as a self contained CIWS is lacking considerably compared to the Phalanx, as it does not have an onboard fire control radar. Do the carriers have EW suites? A lot of misses would be required for an anti-ship missile to get through all those layers of defence to hit a ship (which in the not too distant future may also have electricity-based defences as I mentioned earlier). I’d be very surprised if Phalanx could engage even 2 anti-ship missiles, let alone take them out. I’d definitely be in favour of building AW609s in the UK rather than buying Ospreys. (Left) USS King carried the first prototype Vulcan Phalanx to sea in 1973. Wish they did this for a lot more things. That’s because ALL current surface ships are woefully under-defended. A Hot spot deck STOVL carrier with F-35Bs close by, is the last place you would put RAM! Or else develop new caps that don’t break up when the missile fires. ““So what” with regards money is just not a realistic place to be living”. But the Type 26s and especially the Type 31s need to be built to a much higher spec than planned so that when they’re updated you’re working from a far better baseline. They also have VL-ASROC, TLAM and loads of Mk41 cells. But that’s a little moot from the perspective that any of these can be launched from beyond the radar horizon of an enemy vessel and none of our likely enemies have AEW as far as I’m aware.”. I think we need to invest more in the counters to anti ship ballistic missiles which traditional CIWS will not be able to deal with. To me, that would imply that our protections are in fact rather good as they currently stand. And to take out such missiles you need SM-3, SM-6, Aster 30 Block 1NT (and Block 2 BMD when it’s ready), not CIWS or other gun-based defences, which are to take out less fast sea-skimming missiles, along with Aster 15, Aster 30 and CAMM (and potentially HVPs too). They’re too underarmed and under-defended to be used anywhere else or to form part of a carrier group despite their size. I’d fit 4 Oerlikon Millennium Guns and 2 OTO Melara 76mm guns instead. The Millennium gun at least has the advantage of being self-contained, but I’m also not sure AHEAD or PFF ammo are really credible when talking about hypersonic anti-ship missiles (the reason for looking for alternatives to Phalanx, for the greater range) because just destroying control surfaces might not be sufficient against such targets as it is against subsonic cruise missiles and aircraft. As far as ASMs go, you’re right that LRASM is quite something, but I think it’s too close to whatever FC/ASW is going to come up with, so that and the cost will kill our opportunity to get it. And even then it would be sensible to also have 2-4 OTO Melara 76mm guns on the carriers and to have electricity-based defences to complement the gun-based defences. Assuming the CIWS manages to break up the missile somewhere under 1km before impact, then the ship may still be sprayed with high-velocity fragments. The mind boggles. On the 4.5″ to the Albion’s, I’m totally onboard and have said the same recently on other sites. This is why I’d like us to buy AV-8B carriers from the US (assuming they have any spare and want to sell us some) and we should significantly upgrade them to give us some measure of redundancy. I like how they made it so certain ones are purchasable if you get enough currency and either have bad RNG luck or just want to grind it out the other way. I think 6 LRASMs complemented by cheaper anti-ship missiles would be the best bet, e.g. However, the carrier needs enhanced protection for a saturation scenario. I didn’t even know this aircraft existed until you mentioned it. They all need uparming and need to be better defended. If you had seen a missile or three launched you would know that. Yet again I’d like tests to be carried out to establish what they can and can’t take out speed-wise. PAAMS as used by the Italians and French is, how shall I say, a sub-set of the RN system. That’s the equivalent of stating that the carriers are deficient in ASW. In such a scenario it would make sense for the Phalanx to (a) be longer ranged and (b) have access to as much ammo as possible. – Miniguns: They have a high rate of fire, but are only 7.62mm and only have a range of 1km. Can ExLS be replenished at sea like ADL? But even if they don’t, it would be nice to see a politician make a sensible decision even if it means he/she doesn’t get re-elected. Other layers of defence to deal with anti-ship missiles: – The Oerlikon Millennium Gun CIWS with AHEAD ammo (range up to 5km) – OTO Melara 76mm guns with DART and PFF ammo (ranges up to 8km and 16km respectively) – Microwave weapons to burn out the electronics in anti-ship missiles – Dragonfire to blind or burn out the sensors in anti-ship missiles (weather permitting); AIUI once Dragonfire exceeds 300 kilowatts it’ll be able to destroy anti-ship missiles – Laser dazzlers to blind IR-guided missiles – Decoys we don’t currently use, but potentially could: Nulka, radar-thwarting obscurant, MASS – Kevlar over vital areas (to minimize damage from fragments from destroyed missiles). Tailess T23 being called ‘general purpose’ by RN is ridiculous. Why they don’t carry Aster 30 Block 1NT I have no idea. (Images: General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems), Rounds being loaded. Must make sure they are integrated with both Radar and the ships E/O systems for extra redundancy 😊. They may well be retrofitted in a mid-life upgrade program, but I wouldn’t expect till 2035-2040. The Type 45 had a lot of equipment “fitted for but not with” AKA we couldnt afford it…hell the Harpoons the type 45 has were made in the mid 1980s for the Batch 3 Type 22 Frigates. “As far as V-22s go, I think they’d be a great idea in many respects.”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-US7xdIX4 “Cold” launch systems were designed to reduce the minimum engagement range and reduce the requirements of the launch system with regards to exhaust management etc. We will be facing a major dilemma in a few years with the retirement of the T23s, who supports the amphibious ships when they are in view of the coast. “Microwave, dazzlers, lasers, rail guns, etc. We could also modify a couple of Harriers to create dedicated EW aircraft to give us Growler-like capability which would make the F-35s and Harriers more survivable against enemy aircraft. I’m pretty sure that’s the best explanation of CEC that I’ve seen, appreciate that! But the T45 does carry a bow sonar that can search for subs, so it’s got the same capability as the T42 in that respect- bow sonar and a helicopter for prosecution. The trouble is with whatever missile system they choose, it will usually be distributing the frangible caps of the missile tubes an other debris all over the flight deck, halting flight operations. The primary ASW weapon on the T42 was the helicopter, the torpedo tubes with short range Mk46/Stingray were never used and as far as I’m aware have never been used on any type in anger. Not countries that do. I would far rather we standardise one way or another though. If you wanted to reduce you exposure attacking at the stern would be the safest route. I’m afraid I don’t know anything more about the ECM than is publicly available (and the joys of working in the industry is that if I did, I wouldn’t be able to talk about it anyway). I can’t see a missile surviving that. Time to think like a big boy Navy again…no offense intended. Block 1A (1996) introduced a new computer system to counter high diving and hard manoeuvring missiles and switched from hydraulic to pneumatic gun drive which could spin up faster. Valid points, but the overarching point is that the carriers need to be far better defended against anti-ship missiles. Throw some money at Leonardo for a 100mm Volcano version? That probably also contributed to the low overall cost. Plus it would be a one-off payment anyway (not including upgrades over the years of course). Plus worryingly Kalibr and Zircon can also be fired from subs, Kalibr can also be fired from aircraft and containers. T42’s used to regularly win ASW competitions. “That’s a lot of content, but what I will say is this: I don’t necessarily disagree with the arguments you make regarding the cost of these things and government’s attitude towards debts and paying for them. Type 45 will never be risked on a gun line; Mk 8 Mod 1 is just for a bit of willy waving. If only they would swap out the 57mm on the T31 for basically anything, 76mm or better. ; 82 mounts exclusive to Horde characters. “Ideally, it would have been built with VLS cells integrated as Charles de Gaulle was”. A Type 45 fires all its 48 Asters and best case scenario it shoots down 48 anti-ship missiles (of course there could always be leakers). It might only cost an extra £500 million but they’d have to justify why they’re not spending that on healthcare or schools or paying off the national debt or on the Army or RAF (as they are in need new tanks and planes and on the front line more frequently than the Navy lately), because if the public at large don’t like it they lose their jobs (one of the downsides of living in a democracy). They are covenant exclusive. Several Americans have made mention of Iranian boat flotillas turning around and going home when a Phalanx was brought to bear, and in both of those cases the Americans were slewing the Phalanx around so they could use the electro opticals on the side of the 1B, not the gun itself. Plus I’d also like us to invest heavily in R&D to develop other ways to (a) detect subs & torpedoes and (b) take out subs and torpedoes. Neither the NSM, JSM, LRASM, nor the RBS-15 will fit internally on an F-35B, although I did read somewhere that Konnesberg may be working on that. For sure, the T45 has had all kinds of problems with propulsion, but I’m honestly not sure what your point is with that comparison? It’s mind-boggling. Unfortunately, Sea Wolf was expensive, had a large equipment footprint and had only been fitted to a handful of frigates when the Falklands war unexpectedly erupted in April 1982. Before anyone criticises this, what other platform outside our Astutes can provide this? The Leonardo 76mm is the ideal gun for an AAW frigate. “but the people who decide the budgets firstly don’t work in the industry so their comprehension on how engineering projects go is minimal”, “but also they have to justify that over spending that money on other things.”. Amphibious landing will require a significant wieght of fire against a well defended opponent which the fleet just doesnt have at present. I was thinking in line with that philosophy. “And in defence of Phalanx, while it doesn’t have very good range”. Microwave, dazzlers, lasers, rail guns, etc. Other considerations with launching missiles is to make sure there’s no air traffic nearby, checking that the targeting systems for the missiles don’t interfere with the systems on board the carrier (RF signals in particular drop off with distance, so something that would be fine mounted on a T45 several hundred metres away may cause problems only 50 m from another antenna) and considering what other countermeasures your carrier is putting out. Yeah, well, a carrier getting sunk because it isn’t adequately protected is a pretty big downside I’d say. UK got out of Horizon team to build T45 but the missile remained the same. How is having access to more ammo not a good thing? I only suggested putting Sea Ceptor on the carriers for point defence, not a second missile-based system. “I would personally consider a hard-kill secondary option if you wanted to go with two systems, although there have been difficulties with them as you say.”. Therefore a ship with say 2 Oerlikon Millennium Guns and an OTO Melara 76mm would be far better defended than a ship with just Phalanx. At Warcraft Tavern we’re huge fans of World of Warcraft Classic. air, ballistic missile and space surveillance. It might also be worth looking into an HVP version of the AHEAD round, but larger and containing far more tungsten projectiles. That said, Sylver is still required for Aster. Not sure which system has the better dispersion though? IF there is an imminent conflict, THEN they don’t have the same difficulties getting funding. So should be straight forward from and integration point of view. Likewise, if we pick up one of the models that has a land attack mode too, then we expand our surface fleet capability massively. As you mentioned if it is using a plasma shield it will be lighting up the sky visually as well as thermally so it can be tracked and targeted without radar. “I would say that they should be changed fleet wide though, and ideally no be deck penetrating, so that they can be easily switched between vessels.” I mentioned this previously, but being deck penetrating means that you have access to far more ammo. (RFA Tidespring, April 2020), The Mark 244 Mod 0 Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS) 20mm round. “Trying to launch missiles in such a physically and RF-cluttered environment would be far more complicated than from a T45 on picket, at least several hundred metres away.” Yeah but all other countries with carriers have anti-air missiles on them. Phalanx has remained in RN service ever since 1982. These could be better used by carrying say 30 Aster 30s, 6 Aster 30 Block 1NTs (to take out ballistic anti-ship missiles) and 48 quad-packed CAMMs (ideally quad-packed CAMM-ERs if they’ll fit in the cells). Do you have that information? I’d also like research to be carried out into the feasibility of fitting various types of armour to ships (e.g. The Goalkeeper system has the advantage of heavier rounds and almost twice the effective range of the original Phalanx, able to break up an incoming missile further way from the ship. I’m just looking at the drawbacks of having missiel systems on a carrier, compared to their effectiveness and the carrier’s primary purpose. They do it incase a missile doesn’t fire & falls back onto the launching platform. “I don’t know enough about the different options, but I’d be happy for a switch up of the CIWS systems if they were proven to be more effective.” Well I addressed this in my previous reply to you. The JSM is longer ranged than the RBS-15 Mk3/Mk4 in some flight profiles, but not others according to Wikipedia. That said, RAM only has a range of 10km, so I assume SeaRAM has the same range and SeaRAM only has 11 missiles. Imagine this scenario: 9 Su-35s carrying 6 anti-ship missiles each fire all 54 missiles beyond the range of Aster 30. Sea Ceptor has a soft launch and could be fired from silos with doors this would result in no FOD and no smoke. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_Oerlikon_Millennium_Gun it can engage 10 anti-ship missiles. I’d like to see tests done to see if HVPs are capable of taking out anti-ship missiles. Who removes cats & traps from a carrier? And in defence of Phalanx, while it doesn’t have very good range it’s average hit time is among the best out there (I think it averages about a hit on the 3rd round) thanks to frequent updates which is yet another benefit of it being non-deck-penetrating (which means it will be better maintained too). Well, again, teething troubles and crews getting familiarised with the new system are going to be issues if you just plonk a new system on a ship. The combined output is therefore scalable, but also more controllable. However, I think this topic area- CWIS and its inherent limitation in a modern battle space articulates well some of the deficiencies in British MOD planning. Also it would make sense to look into non-frangible covers. Perseus like LRASM will be stealthy, but it will be superior to LRASM in that it will be Mach 5 (vs subsonic for LRASM), will be able to be fired from subs (as well as ships and aircraft) and will be able to deploy two mini missiles from the main missile. Meaning that in all likelihood we should get prior notice to sending the carriers into a high threat environment, giving the Navy time, and more importantly, the politicians the incentive to create the funds to emergency purchase standalone systems from the US the same way they buy ammunition just before heading off to take part in a military operation. I meant woefully underarmed to survive in a war with a well-armed enemy like Russia or China. Its abilities were demonstrated in 2015 when the radar at the Thales site in Holland tracked a missile fired from the Hebrides before it disappeared over the Atlantic’s horizon. I am unaware of a fuzed nature for Phalanx. LRASM is longer ranged though. Harriers are used alongside F-35Bs on the Wasp-class and America-class ships. Some of the T23 frigates, the GPs which have had LIFEX from 2017, will be sold with their new Sea Ceptor system, when replaced by the T31 frigates. I don’t like it, it’s just the way defence spending works when there’s not enough money to go around. Up to three [Tol'vir Hieroglyphic] keystones may be used to complete it.. If standard sky sabre type launchers are used they will cover each side of the vessels mitigating any possible problems a VLS launch could have with air traffic as many others have reasoned against missiles on carriers. Gun-based CWIS has its limitations when faced with the increasing speeds of modern missiles such as BrahMos, Sunburn or Zircon. HVPs sending out hundreds of tungsten projectiles at a range of about 80km should be able to take out any sea-skimming missile I’d have thought regardless of speed and possibly even ballistic anti-ship missiles. I’d also like to see stringent realistic tests carried out to see if HVPs fired from the main 4.5″ gun can take out anti-ship missiles. – Phalanx: As I said, they lack sufficient ammo and range. I’d go with the second option every time when it comes to frigates and destroyers (and to the carriers too if we had more than just 2 of them). I’d consider it a fairly good vessel, compared to its peers, with a great AAW fitout. Does my covenant matter in terms of what mounts can drop? All our ships are woefully under-armed/under-defended imo as I explained above. Bring your friends to Azeroth, adventure together and earn epic rewards. This is also programmable, but crucially it is also a guided round. The RN is an incredibly professional service and my note should in no way undermine that reality. We’re never going to be sailing two carrier battle groups at once unless it’s a full scale conflict, and we won’t be doing that on our own. If the RN had just wanted the same we would be operating Horizons now. This means they have to volley fire against every target, while a T45 needs to only fire once.”. The general purpose round holds twice as much explosive as a standard 40mm round and the anti-air round contains significantly more tungsten. The three Phalanx mounts installed on HMS Prince of Wales July-August 2020 give overlapping 360º coverage. Of course the only way to know which system works best against anti-ship missiles is to test them all against a variety of missiles: Improved Phalanx, Oerlikon Millennium Gun, Thales RAPIDSeaGuardian, OTO Melara 76mm, Bofors 40mm Mk4, Bofors 57mm Mk110, HVPs fired from main naval guns. Vanity mounts confer … That said, I do agree that it would be nice to expand our weapons fits and have some more surface warfare and land attack teeth across the fleet- that to me seems to be where we fall behind our peers the most. Friction and ablation degrade the sensors ability to see the target. We sail our escorts with 8 cannister launched ASMs, which is exactly the same as most other NATO navies; I’d be happy to see more, but I don’t think it’s necessarily vital. Obsolescent, even obsolete. Interestingly, the NAO has identified this as a major problem for the MOD and HM Treasury to address, so hopefully we’ll see less and less of the kind of penny pinching capabilities that you’ve rightly identified. Although the Argentines surrendered on the Falklands Islands on 14 June, hostilities had not formally ceased. Phalanx control console in the operations room. It would if launched forward and the motor failed. It relies on a semi-active laser seeker to home in on the target. And I don’t see how achieving all that would cost over £100 billion, so there should be plenty of money left over. But my point, that was totally missed, is that Bannerlord infantry don't keep formation. “and maybe by something like containerised CAMM-ER as a bolt-on for the RFAs in high threat environments.”. It has other uses. Der Aufenthaltsort dieses NPCs ist nicht bekannt. For example: do I need to be Venthyr for the Revendreth rares to drop their mount? Well firstly Phalanx is hardly credible against anything except subsonic missiles since it has an effective range of just 1.5km. None of our ships there had Phalanx or Goalkeeper. And Atlantic Conveyor had no protection whatsoever. Using a Gatling gun combined with radar in the close air defence role to create a ‘wall of steel’ offered a relatively simple solution. 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